FUND MANAGER Q&A

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Much has changed in the world since the FP Carmignac European Leaders fund was launched three years ago. What stands out for you as having the greatest influence on Europe?

No period in markets is ever quiet but during those three years we’ve had Covid-19, a war, and a sharp reversal of monetary policy with a very sharp drop in interest rates. With the benefit of hindsight, volatility has always provided opportunity. In three to five years, we’ll look back and see there were great buying opportunities.


Your entire investment career has been spent in European equities. What attracted you and continues to do so?

I started out as a fresh-faced junior in 1993. I was working for a regional insurance company that I joined many years before to train as an actuary. I qualified as an actuary but then wanted to join the investment team. The CIO at the time said ‘the opportunity is to train as our European equity fund manager’. If I could have chosen any job, that would have been the one. Europe at the time wasn’t a must-have region but an up-and-coming area. When the European Union came together [in November 1993] it became a more coherent region and its financial viability and credibility increased. There were more and more companies that people were interested in. It was very exciting and I was really happy to be part of it. However, to this day Europe remains underappreciated globally. It has high quality, it has innovation and the emergence and proof of that through investment returns is still the case today as it was back in the mid-1990s.
Since inception, the fund has almost doubled the return of the benchmark. Beyond your experience in this area, to what do you attribute that?

I would say focus. Our focus primarily on high quality businesses in Europe. We have a proven process that works. As good as our performance has been since we launched the fund, it would have been better prior to the value rotation we saw in the first quarter of this year. I’ve seen these rotations many, many times and yes, they last a while, and yes, they’re difficult. The key thing is not to be shifted off track. The key thing is to remind yourself why you invested in the companies and why they will have the best returns in the long run.


While the core of the fund is in quality companies, a smaller sleeve is in innovation. How do you find innovative ideas?

As a fund manager, if you want to be successful, you have to be interested in companies. You have to want to meet companies, learn what they do and be fascinated by all the varieties of opportunities that are out there. It’s only through that interest that one in ten or one in 20 you meet make you think ‘wow, that’s a really great opportunity’.

"Europe remains underappreciated globally. It has high quality, it has innovation and emergence"

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You can’t always get it right. How have you learned from mistakes?

I’m glad you asked because there’s an important point about this. This isn’t like mathematics where you do your sums and you get a correct answer. You try and manage risk, of course, but you also need a large degree of humility. You are dealing with uncertainty – not just uncertainty regarding how much it’s possible to know about a company, but the companies themselves are dealing with variable economies and competitive situations. You have to be humble enough to admit your mistakes and resilient enough to not let them break you.


What resources at Carmignac do you draw upon in running the fund?

Running the fund alongside me on a day-to-day basis is a dedicated analyst, Seyi Osoba. He works directly with me on the stocks in the fund and is looking at new ideas. Carmignac has many equity funds and teams of global analysts that look at different sectors like healthcare, consumer, technology and so on. When analysts’ ideas make it through my filter, it makes sense to leverage their expertise or at least consult with them on sectoral themes. However, for the vast majority of holdings in the fund, the work is done by Seyi and myself. There are more than 1,000 companies in Europe we could potentially look at, but the fact is we have a very clear, delineated process meaning it’s not as daunting a prospect. We also have a great resource in terms of risk management. We have a front office risk management team that we sit down with every month to discuss our exposures and their sensitivities to certain macro factors or anything else. This team provides daily and weekly risk analysis as well. We also have a team that provides advice on sustainability, which is important because the strategy has a very strong sustainability focus.


What makes the fund a worthy addition to an investor’s portfolio?

There are a lot of European equity funds out there. A lot of them might be described similarly to mine – they invest in high quality companies with a long-term horizon. But we have three key differentiating factors. We quantify what we mean by a high quality business using the metrics of high sustainable profitability and reinvestment. We now have a 19-year track record of using this framework successfully. We have a minor sleeve that focuses on underappreciated innovation, which a lot of funds don’t have. And we go beyond ESG investing because ours is a socially responsible fund that specifically targets certain outcomes. Finally, our performance speaks for itself. Although Europe is now an established asset class, there are so many other asset classes out there. The onus is on European fund managers to deliver returns that matter to people. This fund has delivered returns not just above benchmark and peers but returns that mean something to end-clients. The annualised absolute return since we launched is 12.04%.
Past performance is notnecessarily indicative of future performance. Performances are net of fees (excluding possible entrance fees charged by the distributor). The return may increase or decreaseas a result of currency fluctuations.

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